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		<title>Comment on No longer lay, but collared by Damian Boddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damian Boddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KIndness says that may pedantry should be kept under leash, but I can&#039;t resist the lure of &quot;illicit funny looks&quot;. Sounds the sort of thing I used urged to take to the confessional, where it would elicit tutting noises!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KIndness says that may pedantry should be kept under leash, but I can&#8217;t resist the lure of &#8220;illicit funny looks&#8221;. Sounds the sort of thing I used urged to take to the confessional, where it would elicit tutting noises!</p>
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		<title>Comment on No longer lay, but collared by ian</title>
		<link>http://www.liturgy.org.uk/archives/229/comment-page-1#comment-2586</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a story I heard recently from a friend - only your&#039;s didn&#039;t have a rabbit Joke - This is his post...


Don&#039;t you just love it when you meet new people?
 
I just had a chance encounter with a guy called &quot;John Michael Barratt&quot;. An elderly and retired electrician from South East London who was trying to find his way to Kingsthorpe.
 
Between swigs of his 300ml bottle of Poland&#039;s finest purified Vodka, carefully stored in his back pocket, he told me he used to be in the army and was recruited for the S.A.S after harsh training as a flight squad commander. He said he fought &quot;Real wars, not the jester wars they fight today.&quot;. He then went on to speak of his empathy for the families of soldiers who have died fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq &quot;...for no go0d reason.&quot;.
 
He stopped for a moment and asked me to hold his bottle of milk. Rolled a cigarette and said &quot;You&#039;re a go0d man. A Man who holds a stranger&#039;s milk whilst they roll out a cigarette is a man you can trust.&quot; He rolled his cigarette and offered me one, I declined of course and said &quot;You shouldn&#039;t smoke.&quot;. He told me &quot;Yeah, and I shouldn&#039;t work in a Nuclear Power Station. I shouldn&#039;t eat burgers and I shouldn&#039;t drink cola... What a load of nonsense.&quot;. He took out his vodka, offered me some showing no lo0k of astonishment at my decline, I smiled and we continued walking.
 
He told a joke:
 
&quot;My Granddaughter, tiny little thing she is, she said to me &quot;Grandpa will you buy me a rabbit?&quot;. &quot;Of course I will darling, when?&quot; I said. &quot;Now Grandpa, let&#039;s go to the pet shop now.&quot;. &quot;Alright my lovely, let&#039;s go now.&quot; And off we went. We got the the pet shop and she told the owner she wanted a rabbit. He walked us over to the hutches and opened them up, she lo0ked so excited. The pet shop owner said &quot;What colour do you want? Brown? Black? White?. Then my Granddaughter turns to me and says &quot;Daddy says the Anaconda won&#039;t care what colour it is.&quot;.
 
The man asked what my name was, and I told him. He told me there was a Swiss place called Marly which is keen on planets and astronomy. I asked his name and he held out his hand and said said &quot;John Michael Barratt, Guvna&#039;.&quot;.
 
We came to the end of the street and were to head separate ways. He to0k one last swig of his vodka and told me something which was both upsetting and ironic.
 
&quot;I&#039;ve just been told I&#039;ve got something. I&#039;m an old man. I&#039;m dying. Cancer my friend.&quot;.
He spat on his hand, sho0k mine once again and walked away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a story I heard recently from a friend &#8211; only your&#8217;s didn&#8217;t have a rabbit Joke &#8211; This is his post&#8230;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you just love it when you meet new people?</p>
<p>I just had a chance encounter with a guy called &#8220;John Michael Barratt&#8221;. An elderly and retired electrician from South East London who was trying to find his way to Kingsthorpe.</p>
<p>Between swigs of his 300ml bottle of Poland&#8217;s finest purified Vodka, carefully stored in his back pocket, he told me he used to be in the army and was recruited for the S.A.S after harsh training as a flight squad commander. He said he fought &#8220;Real wars, not the jester wars they fight today.&#8221;. He then went on to speak of his empathy for the families of soldiers who have died fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq &#8220;&#8230;for no go0d reason.&#8221;.</p>
<p>He stopped for a moment and asked me to hold his bottle of milk. Rolled a cigarette and said &#8220;You&#8217;re a go0d man. A Man who holds a stranger&#8217;s milk whilst they roll out a cigarette is a man you can trust.&#8221; He rolled his cigarette and offered me one, I declined of course and said &#8220;You shouldn&#8217;t smoke.&#8221;. He told me &#8220;Yeah, and I shouldn&#8217;t work in a Nuclear Power Station. I shouldn&#8217;t eat burgers and I shouldn&#8217;t drink cola&#8230; What a load of nonsense.&#8221;. He took out his vodka, offered me some showing no lo0k of astonishment at my decline, I smiled and we continued walking.</p>
<p>He told a joke:</p>
<p>&#8220;My Granddaughter, tiny little thing she is, she said to me &#8220;Grandpa will you buy me a rabbit?&#8221;. &#8220;Of course I will darling, when?&#8221; I said. &#8220;Now Grandpa, let&#8217;s go to the pet shop now.&#8221;. &#8220;Alright my lovely, let&#8217;s go now.&#8221; And off we went. We got the the pet shop and she told the owner she wanted a rabbit. He walked us over to the hutches and opened them up, she lo0ked so excited. The pet shop owner said &#8220;What colour do you want? Brown? Black? White?. Then my Granddaughter turns to me and says &#8220;Daddy says the Anaconda won&#8217;t care what colour it is.&#8221;.</p>
<p>The man asked what my name was, and I told him. He told me there was a Swiss place called Marly which is keen on planets and astronomy. I asked his name and he held out his hand and said said &#8220;John Michael Barratt, Guvna&#8217;.&#8221;.</p>
<p>We came to the end of the street and were to head separate ways. He to0k one last swig of his vodka and told me something which was both upsetting and ironic.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve just been told I&#8217;ve got something. I&#8217;m an old man. I&#8217;m dying. Cancer my friend.&#8221;.<br />
He spat on his hand, sho0k mine once again and walked away.</p>
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		<title>Comment on No longer lay, but collared by Gerald Field</title>
		<link>http://www.liturgy.org.uk/archives/229/comment-page-1#comment-2585</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also random moments of trust. Walking through a shopping centre a couple of years ago a gentleman I&#039;d never seen before took me by the arm as he passed by and asked, &quot;Please pray for my dad, who&#039;s having a life saving operation tomorrow. Thank you&quot;.....and walked on before I could talk to him further. I did as he asked, never saw him again, and don&#039;t know the outcome, but it was one of those moments when one realizes how unique our calling and our ministry is....both to us and to others. Enjoy.....it just gets better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also random moments of trust. Walking through a shopping centre a couple of years ago a gentleman I&#8217;d never seen before took me by the arm as he passed by and asked, &#8220;Please pray for my dad, who&#8217;s having a life saving operation tomorrow. Thank you&#8221;&#8230;..and walked on before I could talk to him further. I did as he asked, never saw him again, and don&#8217;t know the outcome, but it was one of those moments when one realizes how unique our calling and our ministry is&#8230;.both to us and to others. Enjoy&#8230;..it just gets better!</p>
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		<title>Comment on No longer lay, but collared by Elizabeth Hanna</title>
		<link>http://www.liturgy.org.uk/archives/229/comment-page-1#comment-2584</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the dog collar brings some very special encounters and makes it easier to engage in meaningful conversations.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Stained Glass by Elizabeth Hanna</title>
		<link>http://www.liturgy.org.uk/archives/224/comment-page-1#comment-2551</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With my Myers-Briggs personality type (INFP) I revel in that kind of chaotic splash of information!  I&#039;ll have a closer look at that window next month ... and take some photographs of it as well!!  
Life for clergy is certainly not ordered or linear ... and sometimes doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With my Myers-Briggs personality type (INFP) I revel in that kind of chaotic splash of information!  I&#8217;ll have a closer look at that window next month &#8230; and take some photographs of it as well!!<br />
Life for clergy is certainly not ordered or linear &#8230; and sometimes doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense either!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I won&#8217;t be going back to Greenbelt by adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.liturgy.org.uk/archives/216/comment-page-1#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you &lt;strong&gt;can&lt;/strong&gt; compare Greenbelt with New Wine. Not as events in themselves, but you can compare the extent to which each is willing to experiment in worship, and the underlying and overriding ethos.

Maybe New Wine is about &quot;equipping and refreshing the church&quot; while Greenbelt is perhaps about &quot;celebrating the creativity of all God&#039;s people.&quot;  But you can do that innovatively, and with a conscious attempt to make provision for, and include the excluded.

The surprise was to find, in this blogger&#039;s view anyway, that New Wine seemed to be doing that better than Greenbelt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you <strong>can</strong> compare Greenbelt with New Wine. Not as events in themselves, but you can compare the extent to which each is willing to experiment in worship, and the underlying and overriding ethos.</p>
<p>Maybe New Wine is about &#8220;equipping and refreshing the church&#8221; while Greenbelt is perhaps about &#8220;celebrating the creativity of all God&#8217;s people.&#8221;  But you can do that innovatively, and with a conscious attempt to make provision for, and include the excluded.</p>
<p>The surprise was to find, in this blogger&#8217;s view anyway, that New Wine seemed to be doing that better than Greenbelt.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I won&#8217;t be going back to Greenbelt by Martin Hodgson</title>
		<link>http://www.liturgy.org.uk/archives/216/comment-page-1#comment-2445</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Hodgson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the morning service and the  music  was certainly not pedestrian  it was great, you can&#039;t compare New Wine and Greenbelt.  I loved the morning service. The Childrens choir  were  so good we are still talking about it.  There&#039;s no doubt Greenbelt have some strange ideas  but its a great little festivale to go to,  I will definitley go back despite the dreadful queues !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the morning service and the  music  was certainly not pedestrian  it was great, you can&#8217;t compare New Wine and Greenbelt.  I loved the morning service. The Childrens choir  were  so good we are still talking about it.  There&#8217;s no doubt Greenbelt have some strange ideas  but its a great little festivale to go to,  I will definitley go back despite the dreadful queues !</p>
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		<title>Comment on Loving the lectionary by Anna Pattison</title>
		<link>http://www.liturgy.org.uk/archives/211/comment-page-1#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Pattison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it, Love it, Love it. Well done Dana.x</description>
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		<title>Comment on Is the Church becoming Ageist? by Russell Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.liturgy.org.uk/archives/169/comment-page-1#comment-2161</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Chruch being ageist? Yes, by definition .... The Church, Religion, exists in order to answer some fundamental questions for ordinary folk, primarily elderly women. They need the Church in order to sustain their belief in an afterlife, heaven, a place where dead children and husbands have gone before them. Churches exploit this need to fill collection plates, collect from wills and endowments, and generally finance itself. Although not a Christian, years ago, I collected and processed  the data for the Decennial Bishop&#039;s Visitation for the Bishops of Lancaster and Blackburn. Suddenly, the local clergy found a desperate need to pass by my front door! The writing was on the wall then ... about 60% of parishes were insolvent ... the plate collections weren&#039;t even covering basic running costs, with no spare for special missions, etc. It&#039;s got worse since then. Women priests were inevitable. Men were too expensive, with wives and families. Gay and lesbian clerics .. equally solutions to the same problem. But their inclusion alienates the economically most important members of the laity, those elderly women, Conservative middle England. Blair and his Blair babes, the MPs surrounding you who mostly came unstuck in the expenses scandal, have simply served to confirm the laity&#039;s worst fears - they were morally bankrupt. There will be an increasing swing back to more Conservative postures on these issues ...
Yes, the Church is ageist. It has to because it can only exist if it exploits the cohorts of elderly women who have sustained it since before the 12th century as Ladourie demonstrated. Alienate them any further and your Church will crumble around your ears. I live in the midst of Catholic Germany. I see the local women trek each day to the graves of their children and the husbands. They are absolutely distraught over the revelations about priests as are friends in Ireland. What happens to your Church of England when the revelations turn to sexual interference of vicars with choirboys which has gone on for decades? Beware of the Pandora&#039;s Boxes you are opening. I don&#039;t understand why you don&#039;t initiate and build a Church of your own based on a postmodern theology. C of E has been dying for centuries. These Synod disputes are the last gasp attempts to keep it alive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Chruch being ageist? Yes, by definition &#8230;. The Church, Religion, exists in order to answer some fundamental questions for ordinary folk, primarily elderly women. They need the Church in order to sustain their belief in an afterlife, heaven, a place where dead children and husbands have gone before them. Churches exploit this need to fill collection plates, collect from wills and endowments, and generally finance itself. Although not a Christian, years ago, I collected and processed  the data for the Decennial Bishop&#8217;s Visitation for the Bishops of Lancaster and Blackburn. Suddenly, the local clergy found a desperate need to pass by my front door! The writing was on the wall then &#8230; about 60% of parishes were insolvent &#8230; the plate collections weren&#8217;t even covering basic running costs, with no spare for special missions, etc. It&#8217;s got worse since then. Women priests were inevitable. Men were too expensive, with wives and families. Gay and lesbian clerics .. equally solutions to the same problem. But their inclusion alienates the economically most important members of the laity, those elderly women, Conservative middle England. Blair and his Blair babes, the MPs surrounding you who mostly came unstuck in the expenses scandal, have simply served to confirm the laity&#8217;s worst fears &#8211; they were morally bankrupt. There will be an increasing swing back to more Conservative postures on these issues &#8230;<br />
Yes, the Church is ageist. It has to because it can only exist if it exploits the cohorts of elderly women who have sustained it since before the 12th century as Ladourie demonstrated. Alienate them any further and your Church will crumble around your ears. I live in the midst of Catholic Germany. I see the local women trek each day to the graves of their children and the husbands. They are absolutely distraught over the revelations about priests as are friends in Ireland. What happens to your Church of England when the revelations turn to sexual interference of vicars with choirboys which has gone on for decades? Beware of the Pandora&#8217;s Boxes you are opening. I don&#8217;t understand why you don&#8217;t initiate and build a Church of your own based on a postmodern theology. C of E has been dying for centuries. These Synod disputes are the last gasp attempts to keep it alive!</p>
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		<title>Comment on This isn&#8217;t a circle to be squared by James Collett</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Collett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 11:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would Al Murray say?</description>
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